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[captainjerk]

Here's the way I've protested Komen's politically-motivated (and dumb-assed) move:

"Dear [Captain Jerk], On behalf of everyone here at Planned Parenthood, thank you so much for your $100.00 gift. Your generosity and dedication are what enable Planned Parenthood to continue to protect and promote women's health in the face of relentless anti-choice opposition. Your gift today will help us work towards the goal of ensuring that any woman can walk into a Planned Parenthood health center and get the care she needs...."

On~On!
-CJ

PS... I regret that I didn't take the opportunity to make this donation "In Honor of Mr. Forrest Hump"

[Forrest Hump]

That is mighty generous of you CJ.

Not a fan of federal money going to planned parenthood or other abortion clinics but by the same note the Feds shouldn't be involved with legislating it either way. Let the local communities (states) set the rules as they please. I agree with those who throw out the criticism of men making rules which only affect women. Let the women duke out the issue.

What I did find interesting some time ago was when I learned the mother of Planned Parenthood (rimshot) had white supremacist beliefs along with her eugenics philosophy. Interesting background liberals don't care to advertise.


Also found the controversy interesting a couple years ago when a conservative activist recorded his telephone conversations with planned parenthood agreeing to assist him to sponsor abortions in minority neighborhoods.

Always wondered how the left would react if KKK or Nazi's were to openly and aggressively sponsor and promote Planned Parenthood. A very twisted convergence of extreme and polar ideologies (white supremecy and liberalism) supporting a common cause for different motivations but the same ugly result.

[captainjerk]

Why thank you, Forrest.

The white supremacist / eugenics / conservative activist / KKK / Nazi / Planned Parenthood theory? I'll need an even bigger tinfoil hat to fully ponder all that.

Meanwhile, the Komen foundation heard the will of the people. Actually, they got the full brunt of what happens when they inject anti-women's-choice politics into an organization that benefits women's health. Looks like they're rephrasing their "restrictions" and resuming funding to Planned Parenthood: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/komen-reversal-decision-planned-parenthood-funding

So, perhaps I should donate to Komen to congratulate their reversal of course. But my donation will be contingent on the resignation of Nancy Brinker and a couple of the other political activists on their board.

Call it tit-for-tat if you like.

I'll keep you abreast of developments.

On~On!
-CJ

[Forrest Hump]

CJ,
I think the hat you wear for your many Koch brothers tirades will be big enough. The leftist counterweight to Beck pointing out all the Soros connections to the Administration, Unions, Occupy, Environmental capitalists etc.

No conspiracy about the mother of PP and her background. It is fact.

Curious connections regarding her motive however is conjecture. The wikipedia article specifically identifies her background is a point the right harps on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

What is striking me about the Komen situation is your rant it is "Political". They are a private organization. If they decide they don't want to deal with particular agencies they have that right, regardless of their reasoning or motives. As long as they aren't breaking any laws.

Ultimately you have capitalism and the power of the dollar to thank for Komen's change of position. The desire for money wasn't so bad in this instance since it worked in favor of your values.

On that note, if Planned Parenthood were to lose gov't funds in the future (as well as the other charities and social programs you agree and disagree with being defunded) the simple answer is let people, such as yourself, contribute and keep them afloat (as you and many others did) and the Gov't let you keep that portion of your hard earned money allowing you to directly support the programs you believe in.
Nobody is impeding your right to do so.

[captainjerk]

Forrest,

Conspiracy theories and various diversions aside (e.g., the standard, obfuscating right-wing shriek of “SOROS!!!" and KKK/Nazi allegations), let’s return to the topic of my thread -- and why you so quickly jumped on it, besmirching Planned Parenthood and its mother/founder.

I’m curious about your opinion on whether abortion should be safe and legal in the US. I’m also curious if you stand by the Roe v. Wade decision. I know you typically follow the Republican Party platform, in which anti-choice is a huge plank, and in consideration of your responses to this thread, I’m suspecting it’s your belief as well. R U...?

While you ponder that, it's clear that the people have spoken on this issue, and by their overwhelming condemnation of Komen's political dalliance into their health, have voted with their voices and dollars to get Komen to reverse course, even though, collaterally, the Komen brand is irreversably damaged.

Overall it was valuable that Nancy Brinker and some of the other anti-choice, fringe-right members of the Komen board showed their political colors, and revealed a certain cleavage between the objectives of the organization and their personal/political motives. There certainly are other organizations that fight breast cancer, advocate for women's health, and benefit the public health, and that's where the smart money will go.

Speaking of such organizations, I support one that's not breast cancer related, although the titillating acronym for Team In Training would suggest otherwise.

On~On!
-CJ

[captainjerk]

And at this tiiime, it's the Komen Wardrobe Malfunction!



Ta ta for now... CJ

[Forrest Hump]

What is entirely unfortunate is that you and the left had now besmirched what is not a bad cause, breast cancer research by a group as some sort of hateful nasty cause. It may not agree with and not support everything in life you agree with such as planned parenthood and not fund them so you villainize them. We just did our RDR and the Komein is one of the charities we are giving to. Unfortunate people will politicize something that does provide good services, maybe not to the whole liking of some but they don't do evil.

[Forrest Hump]

On a separate note. I am not a fan of abortion. Personal reasons, mom had me when she was 16 and a second kid, my sister, when she was 18 as a high school dropout in a very conservative farm community. There is no news clipping of my birth because it was considered shameful and the paper wouldn't run it. Fortunately my mother toughed out most of her time as a mom while single and made it through.

So me and my sister's birth are along the lines of Tebow. I am kinda happy mom decided not to have me and my sister (who is a mother of 2 wonderful little girls) taken from her womb and disposed of. Just saying.

I don't think federal money should go for it. I think federal level, and federal dollars, should stay out of the issue and let states duke it out. Some will and some won't legalize it.

It is way too contentious of an issue, and rightfully so on both sides, for anyone to decide either way to decree the whole of U.S. citizenry and its dollars is for or against the concept. Break it down to the 50 states and let them deal with it based on 50 different community standards. If you don't like your state's rules you can go elsewhere for service.

[rumpledhasher =that- yahoo.com]

Uh, didn't the Komen fund politicize the whole thing first?RFSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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[Forrest Hump]

This is where the left shows their irrational thinking and baseless values.

The Komen group decided not to fund PP anymore. Perfectly within their rights. Moral decision, not political. (Note to CJ, insert a Koch conspiracy reply here somewhere)

People don't like that and react. OK. Agreed there. Now then what about all the other women's health organizations who never funded PP to begin with?! Is it now time for the left to search them out and villainize them as well? It is OK for many other organizations to not fund PP but the Komen is now evil.

There was also a backlash from the right. Komen also had a surge in donations, not as major as PP but a surge none the less. I have seen many article comments of people who didn't realize Komen provided financing to PP to begin with and are turning against Komen for supporting PP. The issue splits both ways.

What is sad is Komen does a lot of good. They are not evil. But you and the rest of the left is portraying them to be a modern Satan.

Deciding not to fund PP simply means that money will go to another arm of the Komen work. The backlash would be a bit more understandable if the funding was being taken away to pay for things that had no bearing on women's health such as failing solar panel plants or foreign owned ecomobile factories.

[captainjerk]

Forrest,

The Komen brewhaha is where the right-wing showed its irrational thinking and baseless values -- and immense stupidity. If only the Komen leadership could have pushed their Republican party-line agenda silently; instead, they publicly joined the right-wing's Planned Parenthood attacks and then gloated about it ( e.g., http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyrwupc1Qg1r9bhz8o1_500.png ).

A women's charity taking an anti-Planned-Parenthood / anti-choice stance -- and expecting women to continue piling on the donations? Beyond dumb. But good job in galvanizing women and the liberal voting base in an election year!

I can understand and respect the basis of your anti-abortion stance. However, your anti- Planned Parenthood position is based on flawed logic. First, only a small fraction of Planned Parenthood's budget and operations goes to abortion services (read up on Wiki), with the majority going toward women's healthcare and contraception (which is something that precludes the need for abortions). Second, by federal law, federal funds can't be used for abortion services.

For about 40 years now, the Supreme Court ruling that brought the right to choice to all 50 states has stood, even under repeated challenges, and even under the onerous restrictions and tomfoolery in some of our more enlightened states. I don't buy the states-rights argument here. We're the United States, One Nation Under God, etc., and our Nation's Constitution guarantees some rights that trump states' deciding whether people should own slaves, be entitled to separate drinking fountains and bus sections, etc.

Finally, you don't like our tax dollars being spent on an organization that, in a small fraction of its services, does something you don't like? Well, I don't like a small fraction of what your employer does -- but is that reason for me to argue that your salary should be subject to the whims of the charity of our citizens?

And in sum, I think this is a chick thing and mine and your voices are but background noise. Let the male legislators recuse themselves from all women's choice arguments, and whatever the ladies decide, well tough titty, that's the way it should go.

On~On!
-CJ